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Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
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August 16, 2008
While looking for research support for my belief that honey lightening is non damaging to hair (as well as naturally produced peroxide in general), based on reports in Honey threads, I found this.
1999
“Protection by the Flavonoids Myricetin, Quercetin, and Rutin Against Hydrogen Peroxide-Induced DNA Damage …."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract
The 3 flavonoids mentioned, Myricetin, Quercetin, and Rutin are all found in honey and the peroxide boosters, ground cinnamon, ground cardamom and extra virgin olive oil. Gallic acid is found in coconut oil.
1993
"In the Ames test, gallic acid esters showed protective effects against H2O2-induced cytotoxicity …."
http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/ind...s&therow=25033
Same researchers, Date, 2007
"Experimental evidence suggests .... most herbs and spices possess .... wide range of biological and pharmacological activities .... may protect tissues against H2O2-induced damage."
http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/bjon/ab...195628!8091!-1
In honey lightening, these natural phytochemicals are in place while the peroxide is being produced and IMO, supports the reports that no hair damage has occured.
But, if you look at the implications of this, what it could potentially mean is that a herb or spice infusion, or oil, applied to the hair first and not rinsed out, could help protect the hair from hydrogen peroxide damage from conventional hair colour.
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Of course this will not be that simple.
1. How strong an infusion is needed?
2. How long does the infusion need to be left on the hair before the hair colour is applied on top of it?
There are no doubt more questions to be answered.
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Catnip will not work for this. It contains iron and manganese, 2 of the main minerals that can deplete peroxide.
They are, iron, manganese, copper, nickel and chromium.
http://web1.caryacademy.org/chemistr...oxide/home.htm
There are plenty of other choices though, IMO.
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Scratch mullein.
"Statistical data .... on 93 herbs .... Mullein (leaf) is the third highest plant in the nutrient iron at 23.6 mg. .... is also high in .... vitamin C. Source: Nutritional Herbology by Mark Pedersen."
http://www.herbaleducator.com/herbs_mullein.html
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Chamomile looks ok to me from these statistics. See the tables on vitamin and mineral contents.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/beverages/4020/2
German chamomile contains both quercetin and rutin and while from my experience, it can build-up on hair, that depends on how often it is used and how strong an infusion is made.
http://www.rain-tree.com/chamomile.htm
German chamomile is the least expensive and easiest to find of the 2 chamomiles on the market. It is the one found in grocery stores. Roman chamomile is mostly found online and in some health food stores. Both have many of the same constituents.
"Roman chamomile contains .... flavonoids (inc. rutin) ...."
http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_chamomile_rom.htm
More on the 2 chamomiles
"Both chamomiles .... used in traditional herbalism and medicine .... German chamomile .... more frequently preferred for medicinal use."
http://www.uspharmacist.com/oldforma...article_id=100
German chamomile safety
http://www.drugs.com/npp/chamomile.html
Roman chamomile safety
http://www.florahealth.com/flora/hom...tm#SideEffects
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Chamomile tea can add colour to the hair, but again it depends on how strong the infusion is made.
For this purpose, 1 tablespoon or less of either coconut oil or EVOO can be added. Too much oil might interfere with the hair colour's ability to do its job and take evenly. I suggest 1/2 tablespoon to start.
Both oils contain flavonoids that are protective against H202 damage.
This is a potential recipe, IMO.
While the oils contain natural peroxide, they have not been reported to lighten hair much at all on their own.
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Roman chamomile tea contains very little oil and would not be that conditioning, IMO.
".... quantitative composition of the main aromatic and polyphenolic constituents of infusion from Chamaemelum nobile flowers .... examined. The camomile tea contained a large amount of polyphenolic compounds (340 mg/l) .... Only traces of essential oil were recovered in tea (7 mg/l).”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14693217?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez. Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
From my experience with German chamomile tea, I believe that it too, contains only trace amounts.
This can be remedied by the addition of the coconut oil or EVOO. Extra conditioning would be a bonus IMO.
Suggested method.
Make the tea, add the oil, let cool.
Apply to the hair and let it sit for a period of time, perhaps 30 minutes.
Do not rinse.
Apply hair colour and proceed as usual.
Note: This is about possibly protecting the hair from conventional peroxide damage. I do not know if this might protect the hair from ammonia damage. Ammonia is in some hair colour in addition to peroxide.
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That sounds awesome! How much protection are we talking about, though? Enough against 10 vol for an hour? Because honey has even less strength than that, I believe. Then, too, synthetic dyes usually contain ammonia. I agree that any protection is better than nothing, but we probably need to test this. I have plenty of henna hairballs, but my hair is pretty strong and I don't know if I'd be able to tell if it was damaged or not without a microscope.
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Oskimosa
That sounds awesome! How much protection are we talking about, though? Enough against 10 vol for an hour? Because honey has even less strength than that, I believe. Then, too, synthetic dyes usually contain ammonia. I agree that any protection is better than nothing, but we probably need to test this. I have plenty of henna hairballs, but my hair is pretty strong and I don't know if I'd be able to tell if it was damaged or not without a microscope.
I started with this research.
“…. harmful effects of hydrogen peroxide …. further reduced because honey sequesters and inactivates the free iron which catalyses the formation of oxygen free radicals produced by hydrogen peroxide .... and its antioxidant components help to mop up oxygen free radicals ....
.... papers describing the application of honey to open wounds .... been reported to be soothing .... to relieve pain .... be non-irritating ... be pain free on application .... with no adverse effects ...."
http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/...cal-agent.html
Then I found the abstracts, then I researched honey and the honey lightening boosters, and found that they contained the same flavonoids,
except for coconut oil. It contains this, gallic acid, which also protects cells from H202 damage.
"In the Ames test, gallic acid esters showed protective effects against H2O2-induced cytotoxicity ….
…. structure-activity relationship indicates …. similarity of the protective effects of gallic acid esters on the H2O2-induced damages to both bacterial and mammalian cells.”
http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/ind...s&therow=25033
They preincubated the cells and tried various concentrations during 24 hours.
".... aims of this study .... determine whether .... flavonoids could protect against H2O2-induced DNA damage. Both cell lines .... supplemented .... various concentrations (0-200 μM) of myricetin, quercetin, and rutin for 24 hours or H2O2(50 μM) for 30 minutes .... Exposure to 50 μM H2O2 for 30 minutes at 37°C resulted in significant DNA damage .... preincubation with the flavonoids before H2O2 exposure significantly .... protected .... against H2O2-induced DNA damage
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract
There is nothing in the abstracts to indicate that the researchers used honey for the peroxide. They just state H202, hydrogen peroxide. To me that means conventional hydrogen peroxide.
Honey lightening has the flavonoids in question built-in, protecting the hair while a treatment is working, from how I read the medical research. I think that the same applies to the peroxide boosters.
From the reports on honey lightening, the peroxide produced by honey is not damaging to hair. And from the medical research on honey, the peroxide produced by honey is not damaging to skin cells.
Now there is a better idea as to why IMO.
These same flavonoids, isolated and applied to human cells, protected them from conventional hydrogen peroxide damage in the lab.
And yes, this needs to be tested but I do not think that it can hurt to try it in any case, before a hair colour is applied.
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I do not think that a honey lightening treatment would protect the hair from the addition of conventional peroxide to a recipe, which is where I got this idea, after going over the research material I had found.
In order to protect the hair from conventional hydrogen peroxide, the hair needs to be treated with the flavonoids in advance and apparently left on for a time. Preincubation is the key IMO, most likely to fully saturate the cells.
“…. harmful effects of hydrogen peroxide …. further reduced because honey sequesters and inactivates the free iron which catalyses the formation of oxygen free radicals produced by hydrogen peroxide .... and its antioxidant components help to mop up oxygen free radicals ....”
http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/...cal-agent.html
Another way to look a sequester is chelate, which is what these flavonoids also do. So the free iron is inactivated before it starts the formation of the free radicals.
“The ability of the phenolic compounds which chelate iron …. gallic acid ….”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...f753f331eb3464
“The protective ability of quercetin and rutin …. related to their iron-chelating activity”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...a250497efbe110
“These results suggested that the protective effects of myricetin …. attributed to the myricetin-suppressed iron toxicity.”
http://www.neuroreport.com/pt/re/neu...195628!8091!-1
I think that for the honey lightening peroxide boosters, it operates the the same way.
None of the boosters, (ground cardamom, ground cinnamon, coconut oil and extra virgin olive oil) have been reported to cause hair damage when used on the hair for other applications. Cardamom has only been used in honey lightening recipes, that I know of but no problems were reported, other than irritation (it can be a sensitizer).
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This is most interesting, IMO.
Chelants prevent oxidative damage to hair. Surprise? Not to me. The flavonoids in honey lightening recipe ingredients are chelants too.
"[0001] The application is a continuation of International application PCT/US02/08482 (Case CM2517M2) filed on Mar. 19, 2002.
Oxidative treatment of hair with reduced hair damage
Agent: The Procter & Gamble Company Intellectual Property Division - Cincinnati, OH, US
[0022] .... now been surprisingly found that chelants have excellent damage inhibiting properties. ....
[0058] .... chelants could efficiently prevent oxidative hair damage when formulated in level higher than previously mentioned in the literature or formulated in commercial compositions.
Without Pretreatment
[0168] .... chelants .... are preferably formulated directly in the oxidizing compositions applied on hair (e.g. oxidative dye compositions or bleaches).
[0174] .... chelants can also be applied to hair as a pre-treatment. The pretreatment composition .... applied immediately before the oxidizing composition or after a longer period of time."
http://www.freshpatents.com/Oxidativ...pe=description
The chelants used to prevent bleach damage are either added to the bleach itself when it is processed or used as a pretreatment. This is what I understood, after I read the other research.
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More from the same source, short version
"[0009] ....The oxidizing agents used for bleaching and oxidative dyeing damage hair to some extent. The mechanism by which damage is caused to the hair fibers is not perfectly understood."
[0010] .... most dyeing or bleaching compositions .... sold with .... conditioner .... applied on hair after the bleaching or dyeing composition has been rinsed off. Examples of conditioning agents are silicones, cationic surfactants and cationic polymers. .... conditioners cannot prevent successive chemical treatments causing premature hair breakage.... conditioners do not bring the hair back to its initial condition but merely conceal .... damage under a protective layer of .... conditioning agent, .... only results in an improved feel of the hair."
http://www.freshpatents.com/Oxidativ...0070107143.php
They should read Professor Molan's honey research on hydrogen peroxide, IMO.
“…. harmful effects of hydrogen peroxide …. further reduced because honey sequesters and inactivates the free iron which catalyses the formation of oxygen free radicals produced by hydrogen peroxide .... and its antioxidant components help to mop up oxygen free radicals ....”
http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/...cal-agent.html
And this predates the patent application.
“Protection by the Flavonoids Myricetin, Quercetin, and Rutin Against Hydrogen Peroxide-Induced DNA Damage ….
Exposure to 50 μM H2O2 for 30 minutes .... 37°C resulted in significant DNA damage .... preincubation with the flavonoids before H2O2 exposure significantly .... protected .... cells against H2O2-induced DNA damage"
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/con...5829746~db=all
So does this.
“The protective ability of quercetin and rutin …. related to their iron-chelating activity
Author Keywords: flavonoids; oxidative injury ...."
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...a250497efbe110
IMO, most women know that hair cannot be repaired when damaged, but it can be helped to look and feel better.
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More from the full version
"[0017] Despite .... developments, damage to hair .... by the strongly aggressive chemicals contained in most bleaching, dyeing or perming compositions particularly with repeated usage .... still a problem, particularly at high pH.
[0018] .... object of .... present invention to provide new compositions capable of improved protection of keratinous fibers .... human hair from oxidative damage...."
http://www.freshpatents.com/Oxidativ...pe=description
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I removed spices from the potential recipe to now just include chamomile tea and oil. Spices can be a pain literally, as they can be sensitizers.
I recommend patch testing chamomile tea, just in case, for allergies.
Either of the 2 oils, coconut or EVOO both contain constituents shown to be protective against H202 damage.
The constituent in coconut oil, gallic acid, is also a chelator.
Now it is a question of what strength the tea needs to be as a pretreatment, which is the only option for it to be used against conventional hydrogen peroxide IMO, unless there is any conventional peroxide on the market with chelators in it.
I do not know what P&G created after applying for the patent.
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If I were going to colour my hair with a product that contained conventional peroxide, I would make chamomile tea, add an oil and pretreat my hair.
Chamomile tea is inexpensive and easy to find. The recipe is harmless, may be conditioning and may protect against conventional H202 damage.
See links on safety
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...33&postcount=5
How much colour would it add to the hair? Not that much from my experience, having used as much as 8-10 tea bags at a time and even so, the colour is temporary.
Used only once a month or every 6 weeks, it should not build-up either, IMO. I had build-up problems with it, using it every time I washed my hair, twice a week. I also had problems with German chamomile being drying but the addition of the oil should prevent that, IMO.
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Most herb teas will add a bit of colour to the hair, IMO, depending on the strength of the tea used.
I looked into Smooth Move tea, which from a report, added ash tones to hair, but I stopped when I found that licorice root one, of its ingredients, is high in iron. The safety record for licorice did not impress me either. While I do not think occasional use of the tea is harmful, for this purpose and different strengths of a tea experimented with, I think that it is better to pass on this one.
In any case, orange peel contains Vitamin C
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/f...-juices/1976/2
Smooth move tea ingredients
"Senna leaf, Proprietary blend: licorice root, bitter fennel fruit, organic sweet orange peel, organic cinnamon bark, organic coriander fruit, organic ginger rhizome, orange peel oil on gum arabic."
http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=5891
" Licorice Root is high in Iron."
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea....pl?read=79546
Licorice safety
"Although .... most dangerous effects generally only occur .... high doses of licorice .... side effects may occur even with average amounts of licorice .... safest .... to have use of licorice monitored by your health care provider."
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/licorice-000262.htm
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Has anyone done any tests/experiments with this yet?
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Originally Posted by
SeaPhoenix
Has anyone done any tests/experiments with this yet?
Not to my knowlege.
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Welp - my husband just brought home a bottle of hydrogen peroxide. I have a large stash of chamomile tea and coconut oil.
What I'll probably do is soak the hair in the chamomile/oil treatment, and then pick a few streaks to test the peroxide on. I'm going to try to keep it off all my natural hair growth, and just go where the henna line starts. Assuming I work up the nerve. A few small streak samples shouldn't be too dangerous though.
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Originally Posted by
SeaPhoenix
Welp - my husband just brought home a bottle of hydrogen peroxide. I have a large stash of chamomile tea and coconut oil.
What I'll probably do is soak the hair in the chamomile/oil treatment, and then pick a few streaks to test the peroxide on. I'm going to try to keep it off all my natural hair growth, and just go where the henna line starts. Assuming I work up the nerve. A few small streak samples shouldn't be too dangerous though.
I suggest testing the recipe on shed hair. That way if it does not work, you will have no damage to be concerned with and you can do several tests.
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Welp.. I did a strand test. Let the hair soak in a chamomile/coconut oil mix (8 teabags per 2 cups hot water, with 1 tbspn oil - just soaked up the sample strand with the mix)... let that sit for 30 minutes, dipped the soaked sample strand in peroxide, bagged it and clipped it in place, let that sit for 45 minutes. Nothing happened at all. As I'm not keen on the idea of peroxide sitting any longer than that in my hair... I'm going to go ahead and give a rest on ridding my hair of the old henna.
But, I'm glad I tried it, or else I'd always be wondering "Maybe it might work." Everyone's hair is different, and what works for a lot of folks, doesn't always work for me at all... just because a couple people did get henna out with peroxide, does not mean it would work for me (though if I left it in for hours, maybe it might have shifted a smidgen... but I'm just not willing to subject my hair to quite that level of stress).
So - today my husband finally fesses up that though he thought the pictures he's seen of my blond looked "nice", he's always preferred my henna red hair before I started using indigo. He's not said anything this past year because he didn't want to influence my decision on trying to go back to natural because I was so focused on it. But, now that I know the henna, pre-indigo, really did work for me... I might just go back to a henna/cassia glossing mix on the natural growth... Not sure yet... but, I just keep going back to wanting to mess with henna again, if I can prevent the build up this time. (i.e. no more full head treatments like I used to do when I henna'd, also will dilute it down, and make sure not to leave it on for hours at a time... common sense, but, I was addicted to the stuff and had no sense of proportion control... kind of like with cheesecake lol...) I do miss the shine, and glittering glimmer my hair had with it, but, with all the chopping I've done... about 2 years worth of hair growth, I'm still going to think very long and hard before deciding on hitting even diluted henna glosses again.
But again, at least now I know from personal experiments, what doesn't work for my hair... and after a bit over a year, I finally get an honest opinion on hair color out of my husband! LOL
I wish luck and happy results to anyone else who delves into experimenting with the peroxide damage prevention stuff! :-)
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Originally Posted by
SeaPhoenix
Welp.. I did a strand test. Let the hair soak in a chamomile/coconut oil mix (8 teabags per 2 cups hot water, with 1 tbspn oil - just soaked up the sample strand with the mix)... let that sit for 30 minutes, dipped the soaked sample strand in peroxide, bagged it and clipped it in place, let that sit for 45 minutes. Nothing happened at all. As I'm not keen on the idea of peroxide sitting any longer than that in my hair... I'm going to go ahead and give a rest on ridding my hair of the old henna.
But, I'm glad I tried it, or else I'd always be wondering "Maybe it might work." Everyone's hair is different, and what works for a lot of folks, doesn't always work for me at all... just because a couple people did get henna out with peroxide, does not mean it would work for me (though if I left it in for hours, maybe it might have shifted a smidgen... but I'm just not willing to subject my hair to quite that level of stress).
So - today my husband finally fesses up that though he thought the pictures he's seen of my blond looked "nice", he's always preferred my henna red hair before I started using indigo. He's not said anything this past year because he didn't want to influence my decision on trying to go back to natural because I was so focused on it. But, now that I know the henna, pre-indigo, really did work for me... I might just go back to a henna/cassia glossing mix on the natural growth... Not sure yet... but, I just keep going back to wanting to mess with henna again, if I can prevent the build up this time. (i.e. no more full head treatments like I used to do when I henna'd, also will dilute it down, and make sure not to leave it on for hours at a time... common sense, but, I was addicted to the stuff and had no sense of proportion control... kind of like with cheesecake lol...) I do miss the shine, and glittering glimmer my hair had with it, but, with all the chopping I've done... about 2 years worth of hair growth, I'm still going to think very long and hard before deciding on hitting even diluted henna glosses again.
But again, at least now I know from personal experiments, what doesn't work for my hair... and after a bit over a year, I finally get an honest opinion on hair color out of my husband! LOL
I wish luck and happy results to anyone else who delves into experimenting with the peroxide damage prevention stuff! :-)
Interesting results, IMO.
What level of peroxide did you use?
So, the peroxide had no effect - fascinating!
Thank you for testing this.
I wonder how the same mix would affect a conventional hair colour.
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I used regular household peroxide (same stuff I used to use back when I was a teen to keep my old blond hair blond, before jumping in to the world of hair dyes lol). I'd seen a couple others who successfully had pulled henna from hair using household peroxide at 45 minute increments, so used that as my time basis to try it with.
Apart from the sample strand smelling a bit like peroxide while I washed it, no effects at all. No color change, and no noticeable damage change either. I'll be curious to see if anyone tries this using conventional hair colour as well!
Even if lightening hasn't worked for me, I find the studies on the honey and other various spin offs really interesting.
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Here are examples of honey lightening on hennaed and henndigoed hair. Honey lightening has not been reported to damage hair and the research IMO, supports this as to why (the protective flavonoids).
I used 2 examples with henndigo - the first is after 2 henndigo treatments, the 2nd on multiple henndigo treatments.
Conditioner is no longer recommended for honey lightening and as you can see from bizzarogirl's 2nd treatment, her henna layers started to lighten, losing the burgundy colour, when much less conditioner was used and was replaced by water.
On both henndigoed and hennaed hair, the correct 4 to 1 dilution with distilled water, yielded faster, better results than previous recipes.
Honey lightening on henndigoed hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=227367&postcount=1901
Honey lightening on hennaed hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=227385&postcount=1902
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Pictures of honey lightening with the correct 4 to 1 dilution, which shows faster, better results reported.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1906
Pictures of honey lightening with just honey and water
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1907
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I believe that with the right recipe as a pre treatment, conventional peroxide can be used without the same risks of damage as not using a pre treatment, and the research supports this.
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When ever I color my hair (perment), I coat my hair with coconut oil first and allow it to soak in for awhile, then color right over top of it. I find my hair likes this method, in fact I didn't even use the conditioner that came with the color package last time. After the coloring was done, I rinsed it, then washed with shampoo and used my normal conditioner. I also find that this process seems to help the color grab the greys better.
Great study ktani, you sure did a good deal of research.
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Originally Posted by
Linda
When ever I color my hair (perment), I coat my hair with coconut oil first and allow it to soak in for awhile, then color right over top of it. I find my hair likes this method, in fact I didn't even use the conditioner that came with the color package last time. After the coloring was done, I rinsed it, then washed with shampoo and used my normal conditioner. I also find that this process seems to help the color grab the greys better.
Great study ktani, you sure did a good deal of research.
Thank you Linda
I do not colour with conventional colour and I had read that it is not a good idea to deep condition before doing so because it may affect how evenly the colour takes. I was unsure until your post, how oil would affect the process in that regard.
So coconut oil works well as a pre treatment without affecting how well the colour takes. Does it slow the processing down at all?
How has the coconut oil been in terms of preventing any damage from the colouring?
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I'm pleased with the results; and really do believe it miimizes damage. The Garnier brand color uses Avacodo Oil in theirs and touts it to be not damaging; I prefer coconut as I use it is a treatment for my hair fairly regular so always have it on hand. My hair had to combat years of bad treatment and thyroid problems. I've not cut my hair in close to 10 years and while I won't say there are no split ends, there are not many.
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Originally Posted by
Linda
I'm pleased with the results; and really do believe it miimizes damage. The Garnier brand color uses Avacodo Oil in theirs and touts it to be not damaging; I prefer coconut as I use it is a treatment for my hair fairly regular so always have it on hand. My hair had to combat years of bad treatment and thyroid problems. I've not cut my hair in close to 10 years and while I won't say there are no split ends, there are not many.
Thank you so much.
The gallic acid in cocout oil is a chelator and is protective against hydrogen peroxide damage, so your pre treatment is exactly the right way to go about preventing damage from colouring IMO, especially since you are applying the colour over it, and not washing it out before colourig. That is basically what they did in the research on protecting cells from peroxide damage.
I checked out the ingredient list for a Garnier hair colour (I do not know which type of colour - there are several within the brand, that you used) with avocado oil, and the oil is pretty far down on the ingredient list (I put it in bold). I doubt that amount of oil is going to offer any protection from damage. It would need to applied as a pre treatment in any case.
"Water Aqua , Hydrogen Peroxide , Cetearyl Alcohol , Trideceth-2 , Carboxamide MEA , Ceteareth-30 , Glycerin , Pentasodium Pentetate , Sodium Stannate , Tetrasodium Pyrophosphate , Water Aqua , Cetearyl Alcohol , Deceth-3 , Propylene Glycol , Laureth-12 , Ammonium Hydroxide , Oleth-30 , Lauric Acid , Hexadimethrine Chloride , Glycol Distearate , 5-Amino-6-Chloro-o-Cresol , Ethanolamine , Polyquaternium-22 , Silica Dimethyl Silylate , Pentasodium Pentetate , Sodium Metabisulfite , Carbomer , 4-Amino-2-Hydroxytoluene , Ascorbic Acid , Titanium Dioxide CI 77891 , Linalool , 6-Hydroxyindole , Toluene-2,5-Diamine , Limonene , Butylphenyl Methylpropional , Citronellol , Geraniol , Dimethicone , Vitis Vinifera Seed Oil Grape , Fragrance Parfum , Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone , Water , Cetearyl Alcohol , Behentrimonium Chloride , Cetyl Esters , Trideceth-12 , Chlorhexidine Dihydrochloride , Amodimethicone , Persea Gratissima Oil Avocado , Methylparaben , Citric Acid , Cetrimonium Chloride , Fragrance Parfum"
http://www.walgreens.com/store/produ...440#ingredient
Avocados do no contain much of any of the protective flavonoids named in the research.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...v/Flav02-1.pdf
The natural protective chelants, need to be used as a pre treatment on the hair, or chemical chelants need to be formulated into the peroxide/bleach itself, that is used.
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Really cool pdf IMO, which lists the flavonoid content of selected foods. See Tables
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...v/Flav02-1.pdf
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Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
The avacado oil comes in its own little package that you add to the mix of color and peroxide. It takes two boxes to color all of my hair. I added the avacodo in the first batch which did the top and roots (figured it couldn't hurt), but did not add it in the second for the length (figured I'd let the coconut oil do its thing by itself). Just checked the extra, it is .14 Fl oz (4.4ml) fruit oil concentrate- doesn't mean there isn't more in it.
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Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
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Linda
The avacado oil comes in its own little package that you add to the mix of color and peroxide. It takes two boxes to color all of my hair. I added the avacodo in the first batch which did the top and roots (figured it couldn't hurt), but did not add it in the second for the length (figured I'd let the coconut oil do its thing by itself). Just checked the extra, it is .14 Fl oz (4.4ml) fruit oil concentrate- doesn't mean there isn't more in it.
Avocadoes do not contain vey much of the protective flavonoids in question and the oil would need to be a pre treatment in any case, for that purpose.
I think it is added to the hair colour for extra conditioning, which is a good thing, IMO.
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Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
I agree, which is why I stayed with the coconut oil as I knew it worked well on the brand I usually use from Sallies. I don't think this would work with the semi or demi perment color because you do need to shampoo to wash out the oil after and that may run the risk of impacting the final color. However, if one does a light coconut oil the night before it is possible to do this before going to a salon to get their hair colored and help protect the hair.
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Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
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Originally Posted by
Linda
I agree, which is why I stayed with the coconut oil as I knew it worked well on the brand I usually use from Sallies. I don't think this would work with the semi or demi perment color because you do need to shampoo to wash out the oil after and that may run the risk of impacting the final color. However, if one does a light coconut oil the night before it is possible to do this before going to a salon to get their hair colored and help protect the hair.
If I follow you, the coconut oil should work for a semi with peroxide or demi colour as well IMO, because it is light and absorbs into hair, so those colours should be able to go on top of coconut oil too.
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Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
True, but I would be concerned that washing it with shampoo (to remove the oils) right after application would be like using one of the 6-8 washings which fades the color each time you wash it. I'll see if I can get my mom to test this; she only uses semi perment; although at her age (89) she is really 100% gray and has trouble getting the semi to hold on her anyhow; but she won't give it up.
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Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
Coconut oil is perfect for helping to prevent hydrogen peroxide damage IMO, better than chamomile tea and coconut oil.
The oil alone has been tested and reported to work as a pre treatment before permanent dye, and the solid white version should add no colour of its own.
Coconut oil should also not have the same kind of build-up issues, as I experienced with German chamomile tea and the tea can add colour, depending on how strong the brew.
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Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
I read this information incorrectly at first. The flavonols in the research are used to help reduce natural peroxide activity in palm oil.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/g856m8jl6180854v/
Palm oil would not be a substitue IMO, for coconut oil to prevent conventional peroxide damage.
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Re: Possible way to protect hair from conventional peroxide damage
It looks to me like pre treating hair with coconut oil and applying conventional hair colour or peroxide it over it, is a workable option to help prevent hydrogen peroxide damage.