I hope some will help you, because I am quite bun handicapped myself.
The lazy wrap actually needs quite a bit of length to work.
I would suggest you go over to the Mane forum, and look there , there is a giant thread on Buns. with pictures. Once you see a few that you like how they look, just go on You tube and you will find tutorials about how to do them.
The science of sticks, haha, None. Just thread them so that they catch some bun, some scalp hair,some bun, and out again. The easier to hold with sticks are the centre held buns.
but go see the Bun thread in the Mane sub forum first , really
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